{"id":1848,"date":"2021-10-19T12:18:34","date_gmt":"2021-10-19T16:18:34","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/?p=1848"},"modified":"2025-10-24T21:34:57","modified_gmt":"2025-10-25T01:34:57","slug":"if-you-cant-beat-em-join-em","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/if-you-cant-beat-em-join-em\/","title":{"rendered":"If You Can&#8217;t Beat &#8216;Em, Join &#8216;Em"},"content":{"rendered":"<h4>Y:THE LAST MAN &#8211; Season 1 Episode 8 &#8211; SPOILERS<\/h4>\n<div id=\"attachment_30831\" style=\"width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption aligncenter\"><a href=\"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/if-you-cant-beat-em-join-em\/amber-tamblyn-jess-salgueiro-y-the-last-man-108\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-30831\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-30831\" src=\"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/amber-tamblyn-jess-salgueiro-y-the-last-man-108-350x175.webp\" alt=\"Amber Tamblyn as Kimberly and Jess Salgueiro as Christine Flores - Y: The Last Man -108\" width=\"350\" height=\"175\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-30831\" srcset=\"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/amber-tamblyn-jess-salgueiro-y-the-last-man-108-350x175.webp 350w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/amber-tamblyn-jess-salgueiro-y-the-last-man-108-775x388.webp 775w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/amber-tamblyn-jess-salgueiro-y-the-last-man-108-250x125.webp 250w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/amber-tamblyn-jess-salgueiro-y-the-last-man-108-768x384.webp 768w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/amber-tamblyn-jess-salgueiro-y-the-last-man-108.webp 1096w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-30831\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><strong>Kimberly<\/strong> and <strong>Christine<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n<p>This side trip into the story of the <em>Daughters of the Amazons<\/em> is a significant departure from the comics, where the Daughters are led by a feminist intellectual named Victoria. She is replaced in the TV version by <strong>Roxanne<\/strong> (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/missipyle\/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Missy Pyle<\/a>), who claims to be a former homicide detective, and about whom we learn a great deal in this episode.  Previously, Yorick&#8217;s sister <strong>Hero<\/strong> (<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Olivia_Thirlby\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Olivia Thirlby<\/a>) required persuasion to join Roxanne&#8217;s cult.  This time it&#8217;s <strong>Nora<\/strong> (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/marinireland\/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Marin Ireland<\/a>), press liaison for the deceased President Cunningham, who needs convincing.   <\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_30815\" style=\"width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/if-you-cant-beat-em-join-em\/amber-tamblyn-paris-jefferson-y-the-last-man-106\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-30815\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-30815\" src=\"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Amber-Tamblyn-Paris-Jefferson-Y-the-last-man-106-350x174.webp\" alt=\"Amber Tamblyn as Kimberly and Paris Jefferson as Marla - Y: The Last Man - 106\" width=\"350\" height=\"174\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-30815\" srcset=\"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Amber-Tamblyn-Paris-Jefferson-Y-the-last-man-106-350x174.webp 350w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Amber-Tamblyn-Paris-Jefferson-Y-the-last-man-106-775x386.webp 775w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Amber-Tamblyn-Paris-Jefferson-Y-the-last-man-106-250x125.webp 250w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Amber-Tamblyn-Paris-Jefferson-Y-the-last-man-106-768x382.webp 768w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Amber-Tamblyn-Paris-Jefferson-Y-the-last-man-106.webp 1000w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-30815\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><strong>Kimberly<\/strong> (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/amberrosetamblyn\/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Amber Tamblyn<\/a>) and her mother <strong>Marla<\/strong> (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/parisjeffersonofficial\/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Paris Jefferson<\/a>)<\/a>.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>In the first episode, we saw the pre-Event President taking target practice and insisting that Nora take a few shots even though he knows she&#8217;s never held a gun in her life.  In this episode, Hero&#8217;s best friend <strong>Sam<\/strong> (Elliot Fletcher) is confronted with a similar situation when Roxanne insists he take target practice with the rest of the group.  He accedes reluctantly, but leaves the group that evening.  (Sam is all right, though.  He happens upon an abandoned school and its unreasonably optimistic Principal <strong>Hetty Blackwell<\/strong> (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/thenickylawrence\/?hl=en\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Nicky Lawrence<\/a>) who is convinced its students will eventually return.)  <\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_30817\" style=\"width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/if-you-cant-beat-em-join-em\/nicky-lawrence-y-the-last-man-108\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-30817\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-30817\" src=\"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Nicky-Lawrence-Y-the-last-man-108-350x215.webp\" alt=\"Nicky Lawrence - Y: The Last Man - 108\" width=\"350\" height=\"215\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-30817\" srcset=\"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Nicky-Lawrence-Y-the-last-man-108-350x215.webp 350w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Nicky-Lawrence-Y-the-last-man-108-775x477.webp 775w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Nicky-Lawrence-Y-the-last-man-108-250x154.webp 250w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Nicky-Lawrence-Y-the-last-man-108-768x472.webp 768w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Nicky-Lawrence-Y-the-last-man-108.webp 1044w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-30817\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Principal <strong>Hetty Blackwell<\/strong><\/p><\/div>\n<p>Nora stayed with President Cunningham, whose values she clearly did not share, all the way up until his death, and we might therefore expect her to remain similarly loyal to Roxanne.  Nora&#8217;s last name is Brady, and this brings to mind James Brady, the assistant to Ronald Regan after whom the <em>Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act<\/em> was named.<\/p>\n<p>Director <strong>Karena Evena<\/strong> makes adroit use of flashbacks throughout the episode, and through those flashbacks we learn about Roxanne&#8217;s past history and how the <em>Daughters of the Amazon<\/em> came to be. We find out that she once stole a boxed set of LAW &#038; ORDER DVDs.   (Coincidentally, <strong>Donnetta Lavinia Grays<\/strong>, who co-wrote this episode with <strong>Tian Jun<\/strong>, appeared in the 2010 LAW &#038; ORDER episode &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/allthingslawandorder.blogspot.com\/2010\/05\/law-order-immortal-recap-review.html\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Immortal<\/a>&#8221; as <em>Delia Snow<\/em>.)  Roxanne, who spent most of her working life at <em>PriceMax<\/em> in one capacity or another, seems to have gotten her talent for psychological manipulation from watching cop shows on television.<\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_30818\" style=\"width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><a href=\"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/if-you-cant-beat-em-join-em\/marin-ireland-sydney-meyer-y-thelastman-108-3\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-30818\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-30818\" src=\"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Marin-Ireland-and-Sydney-Meyer-Y-The-Last-Man-108-350x196.webp\" alt=\"Marin Ireland and Sydney Meyer - Y: The Last Man - 108\" width=\"350\" height=\"196\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-30818\" srcset=\"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Marin-Ireland-and-Sydney-Meyer-Y-The-Last-Man-108-350x196.webp 350w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Marin-Ireland-and-Sydney-Meyer-Y-The-Last-Man-108-775x434.webp 775w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Marin-Ireland-and-Sydney-Meyer-Y-The-Last-Man-108-250x140.webp 250w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Marin-Ireland-and-Sydney-Meyer-Y-The-Last-Man-108-768x430.webp 768w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Marin-Ireland-and-Sydney-Meyer-Y-The-Last-Man-108.webp 1000w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-30818\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><strong>Nora<\/strong> finds out from <strong>Nicole<\/strong> that she will soon be banished.<\/p><\/div>\n<p>A slip of the tongue by <strong>Nicole<\/strong> (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/sydneymeyer48\/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Sydney Ozerov-Meyer<\/a>) lets Nora know she is soon to be expelled from the group.  She tries to make an alliance with Sam, who is also alienated, but he declines, saying he doesn&#8217;t trust her.  Her daughter doesn&#8217;t want to leave, and so, faced with a dire situation, Nora waits until the group is passed out after a night of drinking (around a campfire which was conveniently left burning) and sets fire to the <em>PriceMax<\/em> warehouse.  Everyone gets out in time (hopefully including the horse) but the building and all the supplies it contains is destroyed.  <\/p>\n<div id=\"attachment_30816\" style=\"width: 360px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/if-you-cant-beat-em-join-em\/marin-ireland-quincy-kirkland-y-the-last-man-108\/\" rel=\"attachment wp-att-30816\"><img decoding=\"async\" aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-30816\" src=\"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Marin-Ireland-Quincy-Kirkland-Y-the-last-man-108-350x196.webp\" alt=\"Marin Ireland and Quincy Kirkland - Y: The Last Man - 108\" width=\"350\" height=\"196\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-30816\" srcset=\"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Marin-Ireland-Quincy-Kirkland-Y-the-last-man-108-350x196.webp 350w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Marin-Ireland-Quincy-Kirkland-Y-the-last-man-108-775x434.webp 775w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Marin-Ireland-Quincy-Kirkland-Y-the-last-man-108-250x140.webp 250w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Marin-Ireland-Quincy-Kirkland-Y-the-last-man-108-768x430.webp 768w, https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/10\/Marin-Ireland-Quincy-Kirkland-Y-the-last-man-108.webp 1000w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 350px) 100vw, 350px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-30816\" class=\"wp-caption-text\"><strong>Nora<\/strong> (<a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Marin_Ireland\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Marin Ireland<\/a>) and her daughter <strong>MacKenzie<\/strong> (<a href=\"https:\/\/wikiwiki.in\/child-artist\/quincy-kirkwood\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Quincy Kirkwood<\/a>)<\/p><\/div>\n<p>The next morning, Nora happens to walk to the nearby river and comes upon a half-submerged state police car.  In it she finds a dead trooper and Roxanne&#8217;s old ID, and discovers that Roxanne was actually assistant manager of the <em>PriceMax<\/em> and had been taken into custody just before <em>The Event<\/em>.  After making Roxanne an offer she can&#8217;t refuse, Nora becomes her speechwriter in return for a spot in Roxanne&#8217;s inner circle and dibs on food for herself and her daughter whenever a shortage arises. At episode&#8217;s end, Roxanne delivers a rousing speech and the <em>Daughters of the Amazon<\/em> are reinvigorated.<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<h5 class=\"mo\">Miscellaneous Info<\/h5>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.parisjefferson.co.uk\/home\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Paris Jefferson<\/a> (Marla) was <strong>Athena<\/strong> in three episodes of <a href=\"https:\/\/tubitv.com\/series\/3712\/xena-warrior-princess?start=true\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">XENA: WARRIOR PRINCESS.  <strong>Laura<\/strong> (<a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/jayliwolf\/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Jayli Wolf<\/a>), one of Roxanne&#8217;s followers, was baptized into the cult in the sixth episode of Y:THE LAST MAN, and took the name Athena.  <\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.instagram.com\/thenickylawrence\/?hl=en\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Nicky Lawrence<\/a> (Principal Hetty Blackwell) was also <b>Sweet Jane<\/b> in &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.denofgeek.com\/tv\/killjoys-season-3-episode-1-review-boondoggie\/\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">Boondoggie<\/a>&#8221; (Episode 3.1 of <a href=\"https:\/\/www.syfy.com\/killjoys\" rel=\"noopener\" target=\"_blank\">KILLJOYS<\/a>).<\/p>\n<hr \/>\n<p><center>The TV show is no longer online.  The collected comics by <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Brian_K._Vaughan\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">Brian K Vaughan<\/a> on which the show was based are <a href=\"https:\/\/www.etsy.com\/listing\/4325304480\/y-the-last-man-complete-comic-collection\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">available on Etsy<\/a>.<\/center><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Y:THE LAST MAN &#8211; Season 1 Episode 8 &#8211; SPOILERS This side trip into the story of the Daughters of the Amazons is a significant departure from the comics, where the Daughters are led by a feminist intellectual named Victoria. <span class=\"excerpt-dots\">&hellip;<\/span> <a class=\"more-link\" href=\"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/if-you-cant-beat-em-join-em\/\"><span class=\"more-msg\"><\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;margin-top: 0px;text-decoration: none;font-size:large;color:#b30000\">+<\/p>\n<p><\/span><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":30816,"comment_status":"open","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[965,98],"tags":[215,221,218,226,217,1450,212,213,219,105,214,220,1367,216],"class_list":["post-1848","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","has-post-thumbnail","hentry","category-sci-fi-television","category-y-the-last-man","tag-donnetta-lavinia-grays","tag-eliza-clark","tag-elliot-fletcher","tag-jayli-wolf","tag-karena-evena","tag-lgbtq","tag-marin-ireland","tag-missy-pyle","tag-nicky-lawrence","tag-paris-jefferson","tag-quincy-kirkwood","tag-sydney-meyer","tag-sydney-ozerov-meyer","tag-tian-jun"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1848","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=1848"}],"version-history":[{"count":10,"href":"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1848\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":31000,"href":"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/1848\/revisions\/31000"}],"wp:featuredmedia":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media\/30816"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=1848"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=1848"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/areathirtythree.com\/blog\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=1848"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}